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PostSubject: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:15 pm

I have had my ups and downs with this car and have learned a lot from the experiences. Here are some pics. Ask any questions if you want to know what/how i did something.







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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:11 pm

How'd yew git dat carb to werk on dat el es juan?











J/K. Looks good, mang. Glad to see you found your way over. Get some of your Race Naked buddies over. =]

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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:12 pm

302Stang wrote:
How'd yew git dat carb to werk on dat el es juan?


LOL I bet a 650 would make that thing run like a beast.

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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:06 am

she'd run like a raep'd ape with a double pumper
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:01 pm

it would run good....at WOT but if you drive it on the street a double pumper is a nightmare!
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:14 pm

blueovalsoldier wrote:
it would run good....at WOT but if you drive it on the street a double pumper is a nightmare!

You're outta your element!!

Some old guy sawr Hash's car and told him to put a 650 on there. Shocked

LSXs - EFI or DIE

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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:53 pm

efi or die fa sho! 🐘
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:57 pm

many ppl have told me to do many things but it doesnt make them right. and besides a 650cfm doesnt mean that its a double pumper. a 650 or a 600 would be plenty of carb for a 5.7...besides just outta curiosity how many carbed vehicles have you had to mess with, its a dying artform reserved for muscle car purists and my fellow pickup drivers. lol
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:59 pm

personally if i was driving a ls1 fbody id just leave it efi, my bro converted his fox from efi back to carb and he's kinda regreting it now.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:26 pm

The tuning and streetability of the ls1's EFI system wins hands down, i can't think of any situation of where i'd carb an lsx. I know what you're saying about converting to carb on a lot of cars though, sometimes its just too easy to throw a carb on a motor when EFI takes so much to piece together sometimes.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:40 pm

well the only reason people go with carbs is for simplicity and the cost. efi cars are more reliable, streetable, and generally last longer but if your building a car to attack the 1/4 mile none of that matters. The top fuel guys said that they could go efi on their cars and probably get more life outta them but why if they get tore down and rebuilt anyway, efi just make more stuff to take off and put back on......the original comment was made by me ab putting a 650 double pumper on it and how it would only be smart for a track car.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:45 pm

If i'm not mistaken, the tuning capabilities of the lsx EFI have more potential for making power than any carb. With a proper fuel system(pump, injectors, regulator), the sky is the limit. EFI makes more power on less fuel, and is fully adjustable down to the smallest variable. If someone has EFI, they should keep it if they have a means to tune. Older EFI systems were pretty shitty on 'muscle cars' so it makes sense to just throw a carb on it during a rebuild. A modern EFI system is unbeatable at the track and on the street smilie

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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:51 pm

but my friend youre forgetting the most important thing here....efi gets expensive. your talkin ab tuning and upgrading pumps, injectors, maf, changing throttle bodies, etc. for the common bracket racer that has some old beater that he wants to upgrade to the ls series its cheaper to carb it, especially if its goin in a older car. you have the possibility of selling the efi to buy other go fast goodies or buyin the engine without the efi so save a few bucks....but yes if its a new(er) car w a ls1 thats already efi...keep it that way and tune it.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:53 pm

we're trying to make the same point smilie

it depends on the car, the budget, and the goal.

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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:09 pm

carbing a lsx engine is fucking retarded

it costs a fortune and requires a lot of changing things, so cheap and easy isn't true for this application AT ALL: carb, expensive intake, msd ignition control, transmission adapters or stand alone 4l60e controller, adding a distributor..

as opposed to: spend 2 hours on some wiring (or pay someone $100-150 to do it), delete anti theft in the pcm, car runs= free to $60 tuning fee

this is not including the fuel system but for less than $200 that can be fixed too...that's cheaper than pretty much any major piece of the carb setup swap

all you have to do is get the harness and pcm and maf with the donor engine or get some junkyard parts from a chevy truck dirt cheap, at the very most any intelligent person will break even by not shopping around and in the end you still have the proper efi setup the engine was designed to run on and can enjoy all the benefits of EFI...only sacrifice is 10hp or less to a FLAWLESSLY tuned carb setup

carbs are a pain in the ass, even when bought brand new. I spent countless hours working on mine on my 350 and had it setup great: 18+mpg, pump once-twice and start with no choke, no flat spots, no bogging, ect....but it still required attention when the weather changed to run its best and I would never be able to turn the starter over once and leave it to go inside and wait on the car to warm up like I can with the ls1

not to mention messing with jets, blown power valves, clogged squirters, line pressure brackets for the transmission, ect

I would never go back to carb for anything I wanted to drive on the street (unless it was only being driven to a show or cruise in or to the track)
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:44 pm

blueovalsoldier wrote:
but my friend youre forgetting the most important thing here....efi gets expensive. your talkin ab tuning and upgrading pumps, injectors, maf, changing throttle bodies, etc. for the common bracket racer that has some old beater that he wants to upgrade to the ls series its cheaper to carb it, especially if its goin in a older car. you have the possibility of selling the efi to buy other go fast goodies or buyin the engine without the efi so save a few bucks....but yes if its a new(er) car w a ls1 thats already efi...keep it that way and tune it.


I'm going to agree with Kevin, even if the LSX doesn't come with a harness, there are plenty of options. LSX wiring harness' can't be that expensive, and will get you a tunable ECU, ooorrr if you're feeling spunky, you can try a stand alone. The MegaSquirt guys in England are running their turbo LSXs with MegaSquirt, which can be had for basically the price of a decent carb.

Walboros are cheap, you can buy two and never have a problem smilie

As far as EFI vs Carbs for tuning and streetability, EFI wins hands down. I'm pretty sure no one here has a trailer queen, and even then I'd still choose EFI.

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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:48 am

they are carbing an ls1 on spike right now. Rolling Eyes because some people are more comfortable with carbs they said.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:03 pm

sorry to hash for the hijack btw

all I know is I looked at how much it would cost me to go carb temporarily because I was nervous about doing the wiring and fuel system, and even using my 670 holley I already had it was going to cost me more to carb than to buy a harness, buy a pcm, pay someone $500 for a dyno tune, and buy a fuel pump

since I wanted the efi at some point the carb went right out the window and I'm glad because it ended up being a million times easier than I thought...I just got another one running in a 69 chevelle last weekend, took me just several hours, would have been less but he had a 98 harness and I had to do research all over again for pinouts and also he reused the fbody fans so I had to look up how to wire a 3 relay system for 2 fans to run low and high speed
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:55 pm

his memeber ride thread got so fucked :( and this stuff will never go away. and its all kim's fault.
i don't have to say much, zach know i love his car (cept for how loud it is) :P
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:37 am

This car is badass. it was awesome to see and hear last weekend. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:44 pm

i would like to see and hear it. it looks badasss!! haha im way more comfortable with a carb Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:51 pm

Thanks nick, your car isnt too bad itself Wink I will post some idle/exhaust clips on here for those who don't live in the area and havent seen my car.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:54 pm

hash,your T/A is so loud it gives jesus nitemares.
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:58 pm

Here is a sound clip of the car when it had stock exhaust manifolds and cats with the SLP Loudmouth 1


And here is a sound clip after the Texas Speed 1 7/8" Longtube Headers and Off Road Y pipe with the same SLP


And finally here is an Idle clip of what it sounds like now after the mild rebuild and no tuning :/
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PostSubject: Re: 2001 NHRA Trans Am   Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:07 pm

Sounds sick, but you definitely need some kitties or a muffler. The headers killed your tone. Maybe I'm just starting to act like an old man, but that would get annoying to drive everyday.
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